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reneag78



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genevieve wrote:

About café or coffee. If you are a correct person, you never use the word "bistrot" It is really vulgar!!!
We use the same word for the liquid and the place where you can drink it!!
So... I go to the café to drink a coffee:
Je vais au café boire un café.


Oh noooo, now see I could have accidentally made a huge fool of myself had I said this to a native speaker Embarassed!!!

Thank you so much Geneviève for saving me a future disgrace!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genevieve, do you emphasize the words differently when you speak them though? Maybe that is how you can distinguish the difference?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I didn't know that the word 'bistro' was vulgar. Thanks for correcting what I said, Geneviève!!! Very Happy Sorry for saying something wrong ladies. I feel a bit stupid now... Embarassed I thought of it because it would help to distinguish it. Actually, we never learned at school that this word is vulgar. Gosh, I'll better remember this when I'll teach later.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That could be something that you wouldn't know because you're not French, Romy. It might be something that they don't openly talk about.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No worry Romy, it is not a "crude" word, just a not "elegant" word!!!
Mary Ann, I think we emphasize some words to express some feelings... surprise, joy.... But it is more the complete sentence which is emphasized, not a word only...
I realize how hard it is to explain something when you never thought of before.... It is so from the first word you pronounce as a baby...
I appreciate to do that for you, it allows me to think about it...
Have a beautiful day, my friends.
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romy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elaine wrote:
That could be something that you wouldn't know because you're not French, Romy. It might be something that they don't openly talk about.


Yeah it surely is that and I have heard people using that word as well but Geneviève is the expert here since she is French. Wink

Glad you told me/us Geneviève!!! Thanks! Very Happy

Then I have a question because I want to know whether I was taught wrong. In Germany cafés are not always only shops where you drink coffee but sometimes you also can eat dishes there (like pasta, salads etc). I was taught in school that in France you don't call 'shops' like that cafés but bistros. Is that wrong then? I'd just like to know so I know it is wrong. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

reneag78 wrote:
I can see why Evy is asking about the 'oo' pronunciation. In English the double 'o' can be said long (as in noodle) or short (as in book). I think what she is asking is does the sound more closely resemble the long or short English sound? Is that right, Evy? I was wondering this myself Wink


Renea, you are right!

The french lenguage isn't easy to learn, sigh. - But learing brings so much fun with the help of you all!!!


Genevieve, I have another question about the pronunciation:

The "a" in ravie and in "mariée" - it's like the "a" in banana or large, and not like the "a" in "made". Am I right?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romy yes, we have cafés where you can eat. Usually they are called "bar-restaurant", you can eat just a snack or an entire lunch. Here, we have a lot, we call them "petit resto" in a familiar language. For example, once a week with my group of study (for work) instead of going home for lunch, we go together to "un petit resto" near university.

Evy if you look at Geneviève's abc lessons, you'll see that an "a" alone is always pronounced like the banana's one. So you are absolutely right. This sound never changes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evy, your asking about the 'a' sounding as in banana gets even more confusing here in the South - the sound isn't the same for all three 'a's.

We pronounce the first and last two 'a' letters of banana more like the 'u' in bubble and the middle 'a' as in the word nanny. LOL we Southerners love to draw our words out for forever! It gets really confusing when trying to correlate English words to French sounds kekekeke. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Renea, I don't know if I help you with this sound if I use for examples : Harry, America, Obama, Teresa, Paris, Chanel, Star, Alabama, Washita. Let us know if you need help.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cécile wrote:
Renea, I don't know if I help you with this sound if I use for examples : Harry, America, Obama, Teresa, Paris, Chanel, Star, Alabama, Washita. Let us know if you need help.


Thanks for the help, Cécile Very Happy. Some of these words do in fact make the 'ah' sound you are trying to convey (America, Obama, Teresa, Chanel, Star, and Washita).

LOL the others don't. Harry and Paris are said to rhyme with 'pear', as for Alabama you get the same confusion as in banana...every other 'a' is different (that is when said the true Southern way LOL!). Hehe, with so many 'a's in it 'Alabama' has numerous pronunciations based on where you come from - even within this very state! Laughing

Ladies, I'm really enjoying learning how to speak French (well trying at least Wink), and really appreciate all your patience and help. Thank you so much! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome Renea !. Always happy to share and help.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, my friends!!! I didn't come for a new "lesson!!!" because I'm really tired, but nothing worrying, only a big tiredness...
Excuse me!!
Love.
Geneviève
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