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Elaine



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you, Genevieve! That is very helpful. I suppose the most logical thing, when learning a new language, is to learn the "A-B-C"s. Merci!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geneviève, your lesson is so clear and easy. We can see the real teacher here Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cécile, I'm so sorry about your bad weather with terrible storms and I hope all will be better very soon.
Geneviéve, thank you for the alphabet. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genevieve wrote:
Oh, friends, I'm absolutely wrong in my indications to pronunce the sentence " où puis-je avoir du café"
remember the "u" is without example in E. and the "j" idem.
so...
it is for you
[oo] pu [ee] je [a] ( as in banana) voir du [ka]( always as in banana) [fa] as you pronunce the "a" in the beginning of the "abc"
Geneviève


Thanks Genevieve!!

"où puis-je avoir du café" means "Where can I find a café?"

But I have a question:
Do I pronounce the word "où" like the double oo in book?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well with only my highschool french I got the gist

I recognized 'where' coffee' and have Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Geneviève. I'll soon be able to take some work as well and prepare a lesson... Wink

Evy, the sentence "Où puis-je avoir du café?" means "Where can I get coffee?". But to give you the correct translation of "Where can I find a café?", that would be "Où puis-je trouver un café?". So trouver means "to find".

One hint for those of you who know german...The 'u' in french is like the 'u' with Umlaut (=ü) in german. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Evy, the French "ou" must be said " oo"!
I shall go on with the lesson about other sounds on Friday because I'm not free until that. (I have the little ones and, more, two little boys because of a strike at school...)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merci, Geneviève...what a wonderfully simple-to-understand lesson you have supplied!

I can see why Evy is asking about the 'oo' pronunciation. In English the double 'o' can be said long (as in noodle) or short (as in book). I think what she is asking is does the sound more closely resemble the long or short English sound? Is that right, Evy? I was wondering this myself Wink

Question: I understand the use of 'un' to accompany the word 'trouver' between the two similar sentences, but how do I know when the word 'café' means coffee (as in a cup of) versus the shop where one can order coffee? Maybe this is a dumb question, but I know nothing about the French language LOL.

Romy, thanks for correlating the French 'u' to the German 'ü'...that helps me tremendously! So I assume the 'du' in our coffee sentence would be pronounced this way?

Sorry for digressing, another dumb question...and I should know this...what are the rules for capitalizing proper nouns such as languages? I've always had trouble with this even in English (hmmm, is it English or english? Laughing). For instance I never can remember how to write President properly, as in when I'm ADDRESSING someone with the title or just talking about the person who HOLDS that position.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok...I'll try to answer your questions the best I can...

The 'ou' sound is pronounced like the english double o in 'noodle'.

It is hard to tell when they mean café as coffee or when they talk about the shop. Geneviève may correct me if I am wrong but I think most French people would rather use the word bistro instead of café when talking about the 'shop' although café also exists as a word for the shop.

Yes, the 'u' in 'du' in our coffee sentence is pronounced like the german 'ü'. In fact all single 'u' in French are pronounced like the german 'ü'. Wink

The capitalizing thing is difficult because I think it is different in most of the languages. I think in English you use the capital 'e' when talking about the language alone and when talking about the people like Englishmen. When there is a noun following, so when ENGLISH is used as an adjective then it is not capitalized. (Correct me if I am wrong, please.)

In French this is another story. You only capitalize it when talking about the people (les Francais= the French). In all other cases it is not capitalized.

I hope this did help at least a bit. If something I said is wrong don't hesitate to tell me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merci beaucoup, Romy! You've answered all my questions, and very thoroughly too. Smile

Yes, you are correct about when certain words are capitalized in English as far as I can remember...words like French used as nouns are capitalized, but as adjectives they are lowercase (still doesn't help me with 'president' Confused Laughing). I asked the question because I'd noticed Europeans using lower case letters when mentioning names of languages...you've now confirmed what I suspected to be the 'rule'. Wink

Kekeke, I also suspected Frenchies would use 'bistro' rather than 'café', but wanted to be sure - maybe I'm better at this language thing than I thought! Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad I could help you, Renea!!! Very Happy


Maybe you capitalize PRESIDENT when you are talking about a certain person in that position but when you are talking just of the status or position in general like for example "the president of the U.S. is elected every four years" you use the lower case.

As far as the Europeans and the lower case use when using names of languages....I just know that in German it is not like that. In German it is rather as in English. I don't know about the other european languages. See there are differences in the european languages. Laughing Sorry if this is getting complicated... Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this

Capitalize the titles of high-ranking government officials when used with or before their names. Do not capitalize the civil title if it is used instead of the name.
Examples: The president will address Congress.
All senators are expected to attend.
The governors, lieutenant governors, and attorneys general called for a special task force.
Governor Fortinbrass, Lieutenant Governor Poppins, Attorney General Dalloway, and Senators James and Twain will attend
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, Mary Ann. Good to know. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, Mary Ann!!!

I'll file this one away for future reference...no kidding, seriously!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!!! I can bring a little extra!
In French the adjectives are never written with capital letter, and, if you write, you must put a "s" or "x" at the end if the noun is in the plural!!! But it is not heard, so, when you speak, it is without importance!!!!!.
I notice that, maybe by influence of English, we can read, on papers for example, some common nouns with a capital!!! It is really something new. Only the proper nouns have a capital. ( As Geneviève, France, USA, Boston...)
About café or coffee. If you are a correct person, you never use the word "bistrot" It is really vulgar!!!
We use the same word for the liquid and the place where you can drink it!!
So... I go to the café to drink a coffee:
Je vais au café boire un café.
Another thing... We have not long or short sounds... So "ou" is "oo", neither long nor short... Only "oo"!!! LOL
Now, some more "abc"...
After the letters, we have some sounds .... easy or not!! For the beginning, the easiers:
When you have two consonnants, as "pr", "tr", "cr", "pl", "bl".... And so on... It is absolutelt as in English! Good!
With three consonnants, as "str", "spr"... The same...
Now with "ch" and "ph"
"ph" is easy because it sounds as "f", every time.
"ch" is not so easy because I don't really find an English word with this sound... Maybe the "sh" in "shoes" Yes, I think so...
If you allow, the next lesson will be with the most difficult, the sounds " ai", "ei", "on", "an", "en", "eur"....
See you soon!
Geneviève
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